ccw/kioritz question

[driftbuster]

I have a nice running engine I pulled from a Sno-Prince, not a pretty installation.
The engine ID is KEC440E-121.
Is this an engine John Deere used?
Compression is 155 each hole. I'd like to sell it, but don't want false advertise

[Matt]

No it's not. Is that what it says on the ID plate on the fan housing?

[driftbuster]

No, there is no tag. It has been removed. Probly a shady deal at one time or another eh.
I bought a 69 sno prince from a scrap yard, it was solid/complete, no rust or dents.
But it shouldn't have ever had a CCW. Shoulda been a hirth single.
That number came off the lower left jug beside clutch.
I was going to temp/stuff it in a blown up Cyclone today.
Seems like a solid engine, but the clutch is too far offset from the
secondary to align it, and the PTO shaft is smaller than my
JD/Comet clutch. So it's an anchor to me. I had it running
on a intravenous line. It sounds awsum, hit the throttle and spins
the track instantly and with no bog. Starts cold nicely, and the compression is mint.
I wish I could use it.

[Matt]

OK, ignore what I said before, because that's the cylinder P/N, not the engine model, so it might be Deere, but I don't have a way to ID it by the cylinder number.

Since you mentioned the PTO shaft is smaller then the clutch - if it was from a Deere it would have to be a '72 model, that's the only year with a output shaft smaller then 30mm. It would be from a 500. There are other brands that it could have come from though.

[driftbuster]

thanks Matt. It needs a home. I got enough stuff already

[JoeRainville]

If the carb manifold is bolted to the jug, it's probably a KEC-440 piston ported motor. If the carb manifold bolts to the crank case it's a case reed KEC-440/21 or /22 motor. Other builders used CCW motors besides Deere of course, but only Deere got them directly from Kiortz starting with the 74 295/s motor.

Matt, I might be mistaken, but I thought only the 72 Model 400 with it's KEC-340 was the only JD sled with a 25 mm crank? I can't remember if the 72 500 with it's KEC 440 was 25 or 30mm.

-Joe

[400brian]

Matt, I might be mistaken, but I thought only the 72 Model 400 with it's KEC-340 was the only JD sled with a 25 mm crank? I can't remember if the 72 500 with it's KEC 440 was 25 or 30mm.

I was thinking it was just the 340 that was 25mm as well. Can't lay my hands on my '72 parts book at the moment.

[Matt]

You guys may be right, I don't know either way for sure. In which case driftbuster, it must be a version of the engine before Deere started using them.

[driftbuster]

thanks eh, sold it to a guy putting it in an argo type thing. It
was a PP non reeded engine. Carb on the cylinders.