ongoing stator problems

harleysportster · Post by **harleysportster** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:55 pm

Kevin,
If you see this by 10:15pm, go to chat.

flames4555 · Post by **flames4555** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:56 pm

i'd love to go to chat , but my windows Vista has a fit when I try to install active X
I get a publisher error that I haven't been able to get around ...

harleysportster · Post by **harleysportster** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:00 am

do you have a AIM name

flames4555 · Post by **flames4555** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:23 am

sorry i don't I'll see about setting one up , feel free to shoot me an email

flames4555 · Post by **flames4555** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:32 am

just created aim name ....johndeerecyclone

Post by **ICCSF 108** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:03 am

Kevin, From your posts It looks like you've been installing USED stators, is that right??
I guess the question I would have is maybe these stators might have a problem with them??? maybe that is why they were sold??? Does anyone have what the ohms are suppose to be on a NEW stator??? I'm not asking what the Deere SM says is OK for a good stator???
I'm just trying to eliminate some of the possibilities here.

Kenny

400brian · Post by **400brian** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:22 am

Kevin

I'm no CDI expert, but I've been thinking about this today, and if I understand what you are saying, I can't see why a problem with the wire you are describing would cause it to eat stators.

This problem would have me pondering drastic and violent action.

:blink:

Have you ran the same CDI box throughout this? It seems more likely to me to be the source of problem ( killing stators ). Do you have any idea what is actually happening to the stators? Perhaps it could be reverse diagnosed if you knew that.

I'd love to understand this.

Does the lighting coil seem to be working correctly?
You don't have electric start on this do you?

flames4555 · Post by **flames4555** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:08 pm

thanks for the reply Brian,
In an earlier reply Scott had mentioned that the CDI couldn't pull that much current through the stator so i kind of wrote it off as being the problem , but I 'm considering sending it back to him to have it checked out. I'm going to call him and see If I can pick his brain a little more. Possibly send him one of my bad stators for an autopsy.
I removed the latest stator today and I'm now going through all of the wiring connections one at a time , i'm hoping I 'll find something I have overlooked . I really didn't see any physical damage on either the flyweel or the stator itself.
The sled does not have electric start , the only optition is juice brakes .

Will keep you posted on any progress or anything I discover , now the hard part findinganother stator...

thanks

400brian · Post by **400brian** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:35 am

Scott should know as much about this as anyone.

After all this, you can't just keep putting stators in it expecting a different result, they are too hard to find. Obviously if you knew what the problem was you would correct it, but you need to find the smoking gun.

I would be extremely frustrated at having this beautifully restored sled, and not being able to ride it.

I feel for you.

nothingbutadeere · Post by **nothingbutadeere** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:32 pm

I was digging around the tech talk to see what others were saying about stators and electrical issues. I was reading the posts to this issue and its like the film broke before we could see the end of the movie. Was your issue ever resolved? I too have had some electrical mishaps with my 78 liquifier. I have replaced the external coils, cdi (Hewtech), found the blue wire to the connector was broken inside the connector-repaired that, but still issues with OHMS as it relates to the stator. This past weekend I pulled the motor out and removed the stator. I found a place in Canada that can repair the stator for $200.00 and hoping that will resolve it.

I would like to know if you were successful. Please update if you can.

Todd

harleysportster · Post by **harleysportster** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:37 pm

Todd,
I believe flames4555 has solved his problem with another stator. Send the stator repair center the ohm specs from Hewtec.

nothingbutadeere · Post by **nothingbutadeere** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:56 pm

Thanks Harley, I'll do just that.

Post by **guitardude081** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:49 pm

If anything after the stator is bad, eventually the stator will go out. Check the voltage and ohms on your ign coil, check the voltage from the CDI box. If there's an ohm and/or voltage spec for the plug caps and wires, check that too. Check to make sure your plug caps are tight on the wires, and fit snugly on the top of the plug. We had a guy that had replaced 3 stators in his ZL600, and he thought it was the electric shop's mishap. It would get to operating temp, he'd take off and it would just die. I checked the throttle safety switch, and re-shimmed it, and it still did it. I ohmed out the secondary coil and found that it was bad. The EFI coils in the stator were still good, but the ign. coil in the stator was almost 200 ohms out of tolerance. I sent out the stator, and replaced the secondary coil. When I got it back, I put it on, and the sled fired right up and ran great. Basically what happened was that the stator coils were working overtime to compensate for the bad secondary coil. Electric problems are the cat's a$$ sometimes.

Good luck.
~Jack

JDT · Post by **JDT** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:06 am

Finding electrical issues is a pain sometimes... very true.
Last week I had intermittant total failure of the lighting system on a sled I was working on. After several hours of frustration I finally found the problem. The pigtail on the light bulb in the tach had three strands of wire not soldered to the contact and they would short to the tach frame from vibration. This loaded down the lighting coil but not enough to smoke it just dim all the lights to nothing. Replacing the pigtail fixed that issue. Five minutes to fix it... four hours to find it!!!

mgabl072 · Post by **mgabl072** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:28 pm

I am also very curious as to what fixed the problem. I restored a 1976 cyclone 440 to mint condition (it is in the registry). I ran it this winter 76 miles. When I took it to the shop (I am by no means a mechnic) to have it summerized and gone over. I mentioned to the mechnic that the sled just did not seem to have the pick up I think it should. I can get the sled up to 55 mphs with not much problem but it just does not seem to get there like I thought. Also the headlights would flicker. And I averaged a meager 2-3 miles per gallon of gas. The mechnic diagnosed it as a bad stator. I took him a used one I had and he said that one resulted in loss of total spark. He could not figure it out and had other things to work on. So now I sit with a beautiful sled in my garage that I can not run. I have located a guy that is going to tear apart a couple engines and give me a couple stators to try. I have also located a person that is a vintage snowmobile racer that said he would figure out my electrical woes. However I am very curious to as your thoughts as it will make this guys job alot easier.

I feel the pain. Everytime I walk by my sled I just shake my head in disgust.
Thanks in advance for the help.