I'm sure this is hiding somewhere on the site, but what where does the Liquifire make peak HP? Specifically the '82-'84s with the newer CDI box. I need to know HP@RPM. This will be a baseline for testing for the upcoming "Profile Performance" Clutch kits utilizing a Comet or Polaris primary (1 3/8" belt width) and a Polaris button secondary.
~Jack
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guitardude081
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Owner, Durand Motorsports
1980 Trailfire 340 (Grandpa bought new)
1983 Trailfire LX
1982 Spitfire (Grandpa bought new)
(3)1974 295/S
1975 340/S
(2) 1978 Liquifire
2003 Ski Doo Renegade 600HO
1993 Polaris XLT Special with AAEN pipes
2020 Polaris Indy 600 XC 129 40th Anniversary Edition
1980 Liquifire (currently in pieces)
1980 Trailfire 340 (Grandpa bought new)
1983 Trailfire LX
1982 Spitfire (Grandpa bought new)
(3)1974 295/S
1975 340/S
(2) 1978 Liquifire
2003 Ski Doo Renegade 600HO
1993 Polaris XLT Special with AAEN pipes
2020 Polaris Indy 600 XC 129 40th Anniversary Edition
1980 Liquifire (currently in pieces)
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Jack, I maybe wrong but the Governed speed is 8000-8200 so I would think right in that area??
I don't have a Invader service manual that would be a good look see?? As that would have it in there with a scale...
If any doesn't answer your Liquifire question Maybe Trucker has an invader SM..
By the way you got mail
Kenny
I don't have a Invader service manual that would be a good look see?? As that would have it in there with a scale...
If any doesn't answer your Liquifire question Maybe Trucker has an invader SM..
By the way you got mail
Kenny
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"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
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I think I remember Rich telling me the 82-84 LFs made 68 horsepower? Maybe Rich can chime in here.
Sleds I own
1974 John Deere JDX8. (SOLD)
1975 John Deere JDX4. (SOLD)
1977 John Deere Liquifire 440. (SOLD)
1978 John Deere Cyclone 340. (SOLD)
1980 John Deere Liquifire. (SOLD)
1983 John Deere Liquifire.
1974 John Deere JDX8. (SOLD)
1975 John Deere JDX4. (SOLD)
1977 John Deere Liquifire 440. (SOLD)
1978 John Deere Cyclone 340. (SOLD)
1980 John Deere Liquifire. (SOLD)
1983 John Deere Liquifire.
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DanzJD
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JDwrench head could you give me sum pointers about carb prob on 80 Liquifire
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Owner, Durand Motorsports
1980 Trailfire 340 (Grandpa bought new)
1983 Trailfire LX
1982 Spitfire (Grandpa bought new)
(3)1974 295/S
1975 340/S
(2) 1978 Liquifire
2003 Ski Doo Renegade 600HO
1993 Polaris XLT Special with AAEN pipes
2020 Polaris Indy 600 XC 129 40th Anniversary Edition
1980 Liquifire (currently in pieces)
1980 Trailfire 340 (Grandpa bought new)
1983 Trailfire LX
1982 Spitfire (Grandpa bought new)
(3)1974 295/S
1975 340/S
(2) 1978 Liquifire
2003 Ski Doo Renegade 600HO
1993 Polaris XLT Special with AAEN pipes
2020 Polaris Indy 600 XC 129 40th Anniversary Edition
1980 Liquifire (currently in pieces)
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That Girl Racing
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Jack. Why not a Cat secondary? Much more efficient, cams are dirt cheap and a million different springs to chose from.
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guitardude081
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The person I got the adapter part from tried both Cat and Polaris clutches on his Liquifires and liked the Polaris' better and advised us to go with Polaris vs. the Cat. Plust we have around 20 or so older Polaris button secondaries if people need them to go with the kit.
~Jack
~Jack
Owner, Durand Motorsports
1980 Trailfire 340 (Grandpa bought new)
1983 Trailfire LX
1982 Spitfire (Grandpa bought new)
(3)1974 295/S
1975 340/S
(2) 1978 Liquifire
2003 Ski Doo Renegade 600HO
1993 Polaris XLT Special with AAEN pipes
2020 Polaris Indy 600 XC 129 40th Anniversary Edition
1980 Liquifire (currently in pieces)
1980 Trailfire 340 (Grandpa bought new)
1983 Trailfire LX
1982 Spitfire (Grandpa bought new)
(3)1974 295/S
1975 340/S
(2) 1978 Liquifire
2003 Ski Doo Renegade 600HO
1993 Polaris XLT Special with AAEN pipes
2020 Polaris Indy 600 XC 129 40th Anniversary Edition
1980 Liquifire (currently in pieces)
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Peter, If I remember right ?? one of the problems I ran into using the New roller Cat driven clutch is I found is there isn't enough clearance to change a belt without unbolting the TPR panel from the left back side?
Kenny
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"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?
"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?
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Kenny, did you try the old button clutch? Most top drag racers use the roller secondary with an aftermarket cap to convert it to a button clutch. On the chassis dyno the Cat back clutch makes considerably more power than any other brand. The new Team works pretty good also but falls off on the big end. Peter
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Thinking about it, a very good combo would be a TR800 with a Cat secondary.
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Peter, no it was probably a 2002?? or something Cat Roller secondary, I really don't remember all of it as I only had about 3 days to pull the motor rebuild it, install a modified cat jackshaft with the roller secondary, at the time of the motor rebuild I also add 38 mm carbs, Kawi heads, pipes, and advanced the timing, so much so I think that is why I couldn't get the damn thing to start so when I was out of time I just shoved it back into storage & that is where it still sets.. so I'm not really sure about the the changing the belt thingy, LOL but I remember thinking at the time this isn't going to work so well??
Some day I'll bring it back down here in MO. so I can get it running but I know that the first thing I'll do is have a 4/6 motor installed but first I need a couple of Cylinders I have everything else for it..
Kenny
Some day I'll bring it back down here in MO. so I can get it running but I know that the first thing I'll do is have a 4/6 motor installed but first I need a couple of Cylinders I have everything else for it..
Kenny
AKA: Kenny, Grumpy, Mr. Richard Head
"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?
"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?
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Keep in mind that this is for a trail clutch kit. We're trying to be economical with this one. You can pick up an un-calibrated Polaris button clutch for around $40 or less. I am a fan of the Cat roller secondary, but the average Liquifire rider may not want to put a whole lot of $$ into a roller secondary plus a clutch kit. We'll probably experiment with some drag tuning later on, but Ty (Mr. Profile Performance) is a busy guy and a drag setup will take up a lot of dyno time and field testing that could be used for newer sleds. I'm trying to toss this stuff in when he has spare time. Basically what we're trying to do is to get clutch kits put together to get these boggy Liquifires out of the hole quicker and add a quicker backshift while utilizing everything else that the average Liquifire owner would have on their sled. (36mm powerjet carbs, airbox, stock pipe.....) A secondary spring that doesn't fully compress under normal Earth gravity will help alot. 
When time allows, I'll toss him a different 'Fire series sled to play with. My opinion of the Deere secondary is that it was behind the times when it was new. An aluminum secondary with available tuning componetns and a 1" jackshaft would have worked wonders for those sleds.
Peter, if the racing kit comes about, then we'll probably need to pick your brain a little bit. I really wanted to build a grass dragger out of the Liquifire, but construction and tuning time is not on my or Ty's side.
Profile Performance operates the same as an EPI or a TEAM Industies does; in the aspect that they make clutch kits for the average trail or race sled or ATV.....with a twist. The kits are built for YOUR riding profile. i.e. rider weight, riding style, elevation and snowmobile modifications.
To get a start on the Liquifire kits I need to know where and what the peak horsepower is so that Ty can get the sled to shift out to where it's supposed to. I've heard 68hp and 72hp for peak. I guess my next question is when you hammer on a stock Liquifire off the line, how many RPMs is it supposed shift out to? No, Peter and Kenny the answer is not 9-grand
~Jack
P.S. To add to the discussion, what if the TR-800 used clickers like the TRAs do?
When time allows, I'll toss him a different 'Fire series sled to play with. My opinion of the Deere secondary is that it was behind the times when it was new. An aluminum secondary with available tuning componetns and a 1" jackshaft would have worked wonders for those sleds. Peter, if the racing kit comes about, then we'll probably need to pick your brain a little bit. I really wanted to build a grass dragger out of the Liquifire, but construction and tuning time is not on my or Ty's side.
Profile Performance operates the same as an EPI or a TEAM Industies does; in the aspect that they make clutch kits for the average trail or race sled or ATV.....with a twist. The kits are built for YOUR riding profile. i.e. rider weight, riding style, elevation and snowmobile modifications.
To get a start on the Liquifire kits I need to know where and what the peak horsepower is so that Ty can get the sled to shift out to where it's supposed to. I've heard 68hp and 72hp for peak. I guess my next question is when you hammer on a stock Liquifire off the line, how many RPMs is it supposed shift out to? No, Peter and Kenny the answer is not 9-grand
~Jack
P.S. To add to the discussion, what if the TR-800 used clickers like the TRAs do?
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Owner, Durand Motorsports
1980 Trailfire 340 (Grandpa bought new)
1983 Trailfire LX
1982 Spitfire (Grandpa bought new)
(3)1974 295/S
1975 340/S
(2) 1978 Liquifire
2003 Ski Doo Renegade 600HO
1993 Polaris XLT Special with AAEN pipes
2020 Polaris Indy 600 XC 129 40th Anniversary Edition
1980 Liquifire (currently in pieces)
1980 Trailfire 340 (Grandpa bought new)
1983 Trailfire LX
1982 Spitfire (Grandpa bought new)
(3)1974 295/S
1975 340/S
(2) 1978 Liquifire
2003 Ski Doo Renegade 600HO
1993 Polaris XLT Special with AAEN pipes
2020 Polaris Indy 600 XC 129 40th Anniversary Edition
1980 Liquifire (currently in pieces)
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Governed RPM is 8000 to 8200, that's where it should be once you PEG the throttle.
Kenny
Kenny
AKA: Kenny, Grumpy, Mr. Richard Head
"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?
"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?
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Jack. I don't mean to question what you are doing and I apologize if that is how it seems. I think what you are doing is cool. Here is
a bit of advice. A motor bogs, not because of clutching but because it does not have the power to keep up with the clutch upshift. Think about it. Peter
a bit of advice. A motor bogs, not because of clutching but because it does not have the power to keep up with the clutch upshift. Think about it. Peter
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Rich, The only thing I never did was the 3.0 throttle valves, so I don't know if that would take care of my infamous Mikuni bog or not, I just always did a band-ade type fix of raising the clutch engagement to over come the bog.
Kenny
Kenny
AKA: Kenny, Grumpy, Mr. Richard Head
"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?
"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?