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jdcrzy · Post by **jdcrzy** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:04 pm

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jdcrzy · Post by **jdcrzy** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:05 pm

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JDXspec · Post by **JDXspec** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:35 pm

That is NOT a 440/5 thats a 440/22 out of a cyclone with a liquifire intake and manifold. must have just put the /5 fan tower on it. the reed valve intake gives it away

jdcrzy · Post by **jdcrzy** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:56 pm

THANKS WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN GETTING CYLINDER AND PISTON

JOEL

HoosierDeereMan · Post by **HoosierDeereMan** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:59 pm

Joel,

Are those some kind of exhaust temperature sensors in each exhaust outlet or just something to hold the engine shroud in place?

I agree with JDXspec on the engine. It could even be a 340. When you tear it down you can look at the casting numbers under the heads and on the hidden sides of the cylinders.

I'd be concerned about running that Liquifire intake. Since that intake is made for a front mount (angled) engine application and the 600 is a mid mount the carbs sit at an angle. I think this would really mess with the float settings. It may effect the needle and seat from working correctly?

That is a decent looking 600.

jdcrzy · Post by **jdcrzy** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:12 am

IT IS A 440 I HAVE THE CYLINDERS OFF AND PULLED A PISTON AND IT HAS CCW 440 RD L UNDER IT. IS THERE MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE /21 AND /22. I DONT KNOW WHAT THE POSTS ON THE EXHAUST ARE FOR. IT IS MISSING THE SHROUD. THE EXHAUST LOOKS LIKE IT MAY HAVE BEEN WELDED TO FITIM NOT SURE.

JOEL

JoeRainville · Post by **JoeRainville** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:18 am

Joel,

The /21 and /21 use a different base gasket, as the 22 has one more transfer port. The 21 also has a smaller diameter piston pin. Therefore "everything" is different, such as the crank, cases, jugs, pistons, etc. Only the 73 JDX-8 originally came with a KEC 440/21. Deere didn't use the 340 or 400/21's.

The 440/22 is much more common, and has the 18mm piston pin vs 16mm for the /21 I belive. Versions of the KEC440/22 were used from the 74 JDX-8 up to the 78 Cyclone with revisions such as head bolt pattern, pistons, CDI, Mikuni carb, etc.

I hope this helps,
-Rainville

PS: I also share the same concerns about the angle of the carbs. I would modify the intake so they lay flat.

jdcrzy · Post by **jdcrzy** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:22 am

THANKS JOE

YES THE CARBS DO SIT IN A FLAT LEVEL POSITION SO THAT SHOULDNT BE ANY PROBLEM.

JOEL

Post by **Matt** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:26 am

Aren't the Mikunis designed to operate up to a certain angle? Up or down shouldn't matter.

The exhaust manifold looks like it could be from a Cyclone, but they must have kept the point ignition and recoil from the /5.

HoosierDeereMan · Post by **HoosierDeereMan** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:35 am

Joel,

Here are a few pictures of a RH 440/22 head and cylinder I have. You can see the Kioritz parts numbers. Maybe this will help identify what you have.

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jdcrzy · Post by **jdcrzy** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:36 am

actually the carb on mt trailfire does sit at a bit of an angle.

joel

jdcrzy · Post by **jdcrzy** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:40 am

that jug is the same number as what i have. it is actually my bad one. is the one you have a good one and if so want to sell it?

Joel

HoosierDeereMan · Post by **HoosierDeereMan** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:58 am

Joel,

Sorry, but I need it for a future 800 project I hope to get to one of these days.

At least you know what you have now. Like Joe mentioned the 440/22's are out there.

jdcrzy · Post by **jdcrzy** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:01 am

ALL THE INFO IS GREAT. AT LEAST I CAN FIND THE CORRECT PARTS WITHOUT GETTING THE WRONG ONE FIRST. THANKS

JOEL