'82 LF not revving

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'82 LF not revving

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Hi guys, I bought the '82 LF from PJ on this site, a nice sled. I'm having some performance issues...

It currently has about 80 miles since an engine o/h. I'm just starting to run it hard, and at WOT I only get about 6500 RPM. Carbs are sqeaky clean. BUT, I'm still running 50:1 fuel for break in. Will this make it boggy on the top end? My clutch is shifting all the way, but I'm getting only 55 MPH out of it, too. I'm guessing the RPM and MPH go hand in hand...

Other than that, its really peppy, up till then. :sled:

Thanks...
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You do NOT need to run the additional 50:1 pre-mix fuel with the oil injection in tandem any longer like I've said already in my emails to you, as I've already completed the engine break-in mileage BEFORE you took delivery of the sled. Why you're still running that heavy, oil-laden fuel blend is beyond me, when it's NOT needed anymore...

As I've already said in my emails to you before; simply run good quality, straight gasoline fuel in the thing, letting the oil injection do what it's designed to do and the engine will be just fine. Also, take a look at my post I just made recently on how to make the Liquifire really scream...it works!! Your sled was set up to stock specs before you took delivery of it, since I didn't know if you were the "purest type" that wanted a truly "stock sled" or a modified one, with the latter you cold upgrade yourself to how you like it, if you wanted to.

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By the way, If you really want that thing to zip right along, send me the primary and secondary clutch and I'll dial them in for you. Plus, install a lower gear ratio final drive (which I have) and you won't believe that you have the same sled when it's done! :)

You can call me if you want, you have my number.

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Sorry PJ, it was not clear in your emails about not mixing fuel anymore, I didnt see that in any of them. You said you put 42 break in miles on it, but judging from the pictures you sent me at first, to when I recieved the sled, it only turned over 20 miles. The service manual says to break in the sled for 100 miles, so I figured that another tank of 50:1 wouldnt hurt. Again, sorry, but I didnt see anywhere that the engine is totally broken in. I sure dont want to wreck a freshly rebuilt engine. I'll see if it changes after this tank of fuel.
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No sweat and let me know if you need anymore help. :) She'll be fine. :sled:

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Why would running pre-mix and injection hurt the way a motor runs?
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That Girl Racing wrote:Why would running pre-mix and injection hurt the way a motor runs?
I never said it did in this particular application....... I simply told Steve that he didn't need to run that heavy blend of oil any longer, since the engine was already broken in satisfactorily.
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Re: '82 LF not revving

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Secondary Spring not tight enough??

Is it in the 4th hole?

Sounds like a clutching issue to me.

I run a light premix along with injection on my 80 LF and it runs fine! The reason is that I dont trust the oil injection on these older sleds. Plus you need the oil injection for the center bearing.
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I had it in the 4th hole, it didnt make any difference when I changed it to the second, then back to the 4th. Its actually pretty bad. The thing runs nuts till I hit 6000 rpm and about 45 mph. Then it just sits back at 5500 rpm, and I'll maybe hit 50 mph. 55 downhill. I burned half a tank today, went for a nice cruise, its supposed to melt the next few days, so I took advantage of freshly groomed trails. The primary clutch is engaging fully, I used a marker on the sheave all the way to the top, and the belt wore it away after a run, so I know the belt is going to the top. The belt is not loose, either. I'll add straight 92 after I get down to about a quarter tank, then I'll report. The throttle is opening all the way, I checked that, too.
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Ok, update. I added straight 92 after I got down to about a quarter tank, according to the gauge. Did not make any difference. I propped it up on a sawhorse on the back end, and it had absolutely no problem zinging right up to 8k on the tach. The belt goes up the the top of the drive sheave no problem, either. I'm not a fatty, I weigh 180, lol, whats the problem? Too rich?

And PJ, I just left a message on your phone, thanks.
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Well, rather than trying to imagine it, here is a video. You can pause it and see that it speeds up to 7k, then lowers to 6k and hangs there. No faster than 50 mph.

I also took out the needles, and they are 6DH8's. The book says they're supposed to be 6DH22's. Would that be causing it?

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Didn't know the needles had been changed, had no reason to believe so and never looked.

I bought this sled from Don Amber's son Bob, in the Summer of 2009. As I recall, Bob had purchased it from the original owner in the late Spring or early Summer of 2008, where Bob had been doing some resto work on it at that time shortly after he bought it. Since I do sled service work for DA and Bob quite often on their own sleds, Bob had brought me the carbs in the Summer of 2008 to clean them for him- which I did and gave them back to him afterward for him to re-install during his resto.

Fast-forward to the Summer of 2009, where I purchased the sled from Bob and those super-clean carbs that I had cleaned a year ago were still on the engine, but the sled had not been ran much since it was Summer-time, other than starting it. They were still as fresh and new as the day I had cleaned them for him a year earlier, so I simply installed them, set the correct slide height, air screw and idle adjustment and the engine ran nicely. Had no reason to think that anyone had changed anything, especially since the sled ran so nice for me during my test ride.

After I purchased the sled, I went through it as I told you and your father, to make sure it was trail-worthy and I rode it for the first 42 miles as a "shakedown" ride to make sure everything was fine with it before you took delivery of the sled. It ran quite well for me and it was a really nice riding sled that I'd wished I would have kept, but I didn't run it as hard as you did, since the engine was fresh.

You might try to PM DA or his son Bob to see if they changed the needles for some reason. :think:
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I never touched (modified) those carbs after PJ cleaned them.

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Well, I guess its an original owner mystery, then. I'll get ahold of the correct jet needles and see what happens. Thanks guys.
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Re: '82 LF not revving

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Try disconnecting the speed limiter, a faulty one can sometimes be the cause of hard to find problems. They seem to go bad as if they had a mind of their own, not often, but when they do........ Make sure the upper needle jet components (plate, nylon washer, E-ring) are assembled in correct order. Doubt the needle size is your problem.
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