Has anyone managed to track down a replacement for the small idler wheels on the newer JDs?
The OEM number is AM54652.
Small idler wheels
Re: Small idler wheels
I had a Yamaha Exciter last winter and if I remember right the small idler wheels on that were about the same... something to check into, let us all know what you find!
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Re: Small idler wheels
Webman, I picked up a bunch of wheels that I hope will work. They have a alum hub with a replaceable bearing with small rubber, I'll ck & see if they will work & If I have to change the bearings to get the right size for the shaft..
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Re: Small idler wheels
I have had no luck in finding a replacement, so I am trying to tear it apart and replace the bearing.
Re: Small idler wheels
I believe I got some from MFG Supply last year that are a match for size. They don't have the original style metal centers but if you just want a set that will work these will go right in. The part number is 04-116-71. It is a 4.25" OD wheel with bearing. Price is $15 ea.
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Re: Small idler wheels
The ones I have a bunch of are smaller dia. but I'm going to see if they could be used anyway??
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Re: Small idler wheels
If they are the ones that go on top of the rear arm in the Liquifire suspension then these are very close to the same diameter. I measuerd an OEM one I have in really good shape and it is 4 1/8" OD.
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Re: Small idler wheels--good part numbers
I just pulled my 79 Trailfire apart and found the original upper idler wheels with integral bearings, too, which I guess is JD part AM54652. I measured it as 4.25" OD.
The part number listed earlier in this thread from Mfg Supply matches a part number listed in Sun and Snow in Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. According to their catalog, that size upper idler was used extensively from the 70s through the 90s. Ski Doo part number is 572.0354.00 and it's on the shelf at my local Skidoo dealer. It lists the OEM Cat number as 0114-209. It lists the Polaris part number as 1543014. It did not list that Yamaha used a similar size.
I haven't checked the fit of any of these yet, so I can't guarantee this is all accurate. The OEM wheel I just took off is stamped as having been built in Wisconsin. Makes sense all the sleds would use a similar/identical part, having been manufactured close together.
Perhaps this will help someone else quickly find a replacement upper idler when needed.
Eric
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SKi Doo ones are perfect fit, and were $22.50, aftermarket ones were on back order, Polaris were $33 each, Cat ones were $29. SKi Doo ones are made in Canada, so that might account for the price discrepancy up here.
The part number listed earlier in this thread from Mfg Supply matches a part number listed in Sun and Snow in Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. According to their catalog, that size upper idler was used extensively from the 70s through the 90s. Ski Doo part number is 572.0354.00 and it's on the shelf at my local Skidoo dealer. It lists the OEM Cat number as 0114-209. It lists the Polaris part number as 1543014. It did not list that Yamaha used a similar size.
I haven't checked the fit of any of these yet, so I can't guarantee this is all accurate. The OEM wheel I just took off is stamped as having been built in Wisconsin. Makes sense all the sleds would use a similar/identical part, having been manufactured close together.
Perhaps this will help someone else quickly find a replacement upper idler when needed.
Eric
ADDED INFO:
SKi Doo ones are perfect fit, and were $22.50, aftermarket ones were on back order, Polaris were $33 each, Cat ones were $29. SKi Doo ones are made in Canada, so that might account for the price discrepancy up here.
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1979 Trailfire 440, dad bought from Steinbach, MB JD dealership in 1980 with 1,200 mile and an aluminum tunnel on it, regular rider, 5,055 miles
1980 Trailfire 340, bought in 2008 with TA440A-C202 engine in it, regular rider, 6,250 miles, LF rubber track
1979 Trailfire 340, bought in 2009, in pieces and rough cosmetic shape, 440 cylinders ready to go in (need pistons still), no odometer
1980 Trailfire 340, bought in 2008 with TA440A-C202 engine in it, regular rider, 6,250 miles, LF rubber track
1979 Trailfire 340, bought in 2009, in pieces and rough cosmetic shape, 440 cylinders ready to go in (need pistons still), no odometer
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Re: Small idler wheels
I replace the bearings.
By, drilling the peened area out. Then I use M4 socket head cap screws (maybe 12mm long?) and nuts with blue loctite to hold the two halfs together.
By, drilling the peened area out. Then I use M4 socket head cap screws (maybe 12mm long?) and nuts with blue loctite to hold the two halfs together.
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80 Liquifire (purchased 2010 ~ Running....Now)
80 Liquifire (purchased 2011 ~ Not running - I officially have a problem now)
83 Snowfire (purchased 2014 father/son restoration project)
78 Spitfire ~ sold (should have been shot for this)