1978 Liquifire with a KEC 340 RS/2 engine

[TASKY]

I believe Skiroule may have used the engine as well.

Matt the only CCW engines Skiroule used were the the free airs and the 400 and 440 fanners.. the 340 fanners used were sachs engines ! Jdrob

According to my research from 1966 until 1971 Skiroule used a mixed bag of engines makes and sizes CCW, Sachs, Wankel and even a JLO. 1972-1973 all models used a Sachs. Then it looks like Kohlers from 1974 till thier demise in 1977.

I see no sign of the infamous rs/2 in my library related to Skiroule or any other make sled.

Anything is posible but I would think this factory mating would have been unlikely

There is more to that other color green that meets the eye. TASKY

[JDT]

The origianl "ditch pickels" also used a 493 Hirth in the 1970 RT-500 model.
I had one and traded it to Cruel Paul for a JD 600.

[TASKY]

I was so enthralled with the JLO pairing I overlooked Hirth. TASKY

[JDT]

Back in the early days many manufactures used lots of different engine companies products.

In 1970 Cat used 7 different brands in one year.
Including Briggs and Straton 4 cycles.
Scorpion was no different.

Even Polaris pulled from the JLO and Sachs shelves.

[HoosierDeereMan]

Here is some interesting info I ran across regarding the CCW engine and the BSE used in MotoSki. (Note the last comment in 1972)

Bouchard Standard Engine (BSE) History -

(courtesy of http://www.geocities.com/jaysonbuick/Moto-Ski.html):

1971 Research and Development

- A 440 BSE F/A first appeared in a Bullet chassis
- The sleds' model number suggests it is a KMS engine (1XR7 K) but the BSE's were different
- KMS (Kebec Moto-Ski) engines debuted in 1970 as limited hand built versions
- Wider use in 1971 Bullets in 295, 340, 650, and 800 versions but quality issues during mass manufacture and the termination of the Bullet program caused the discontinuation of KMS for 1972.

1972 Incorporation into the Lineup

- BSE engines first appeared in the model lineup in 250, 340, and 440 axial fan versions
- Available in the Cadet 250, Zephyr 340 + 440, MS-18 440, and Grand Prix 340 + 440
- The resemblance to a CCW is not coincidence. BSE's were manufactured in Japan by the same people who brought us CCW and Kiortz but to slightly different specs.

1973 Exclusive use of BSE's

- All 1973 Moto-Skis came through with BSE's.
- 250, 340, and 440 fan engines stayed the same but were joined by a 295 twin fan, 400 twin F/A, 440 twin F/A, and a 340 triple F/A
- The 295 was a rotax in disguise. It is the same basic motor as found in the '73 Ski-doo's and even has a "Made in Austria" tag
- The 400, 440, and 340 triple F/A engines were also rotax engines slightly reworked
- Models using BSE's were: Cadet 250 (fan) , Capri 295, 340, and 440 (fans), Zephyr 340 and 440 (fans), "F" 295, 340, and 440 (fans), "S" 400(F/A) and 440 (F/A), "SR" 340 F/A triple.

1974 Writing on the Wall

- Last year of the Japanese built BSE, actual engines changed little
- Cadet 250, Capri 295, Futura 295, 340, and 440, Chimo 440, Grand Sport T.S. 400, Grand Sport 440

1975- Hello Rotax

- Last year of the BSE name.
- Forced to share room

I've never seen one. Anyone have a BSE 340 they can post pictures of? Any BSE 340 engine parts you can post pictures of? It would be very interesting to know if parts would/could interchange? The 340 BSE engine production run would coincide with the CCW 340, 340/5, and the RS/2 era used in Deere.

Troy

[jdrob]

Hey guys I was just referring to the CCW engines that were used !!! I grew up on "DITCH PICKLES" 70 and up and actually have several now also. They did use several different engines throughout their years of production. 66-77 although 77 there were less then 20 sleds built and they were all 76 chassis and left over parts 76-77 sleds were built by HMK not the coleman company....

Bill SKIROULE did use several different versions of the sachs engines from fanners to free airs in the RTX racer models! Then like you mentioned in 74 they were forced into the kohler line b/c sachs either went out of business or would not supply them with engines anymore.

JDT DID they ever use the rs2 in any scorps ? I am not real knowledgeable about them i do know they used a ccw 400 in a stinger model But not sure about other models ??that would have been the early 71 72 73 ?? models then somewhere along the line they went to the Cuyuna(spelling??) engine??


Jdrob

[JDT]

The 71 Super Stinger models used several different engines in these high performance models. CCW did a fanner for them but I do not know if it was a n RS/2.
Little data is available on these race sleds. Very few were built.
Les Prinz would know as he had his hands on most of them.
Anyone finding a 71 SS better snatch it up as they are very rare.