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storm_00
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ok guys I know that there is a specific weight I shopuld put in but not sure what it is for all intensive purposes can I use just standard motor oil to fire it up or should I weight an get the right stuff ,just diein to hear her run today lmao anyways let me know ,with all this snow fallin I am gettin realy impatient an pay day isnt gonna be here soon enough lol I wanna ride damn it lmao
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harleysportster
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Storm,
The original type oil used in the chaincase was SAE 90 weight gear oil. Some people have used SAE 30 oil, just like in the automotive world. If the seals are marginal in the chaincase, they will leak out the thinner oil.
The original type oil used in the chaincase was SAE 90 weight gear oil. Some people have used SAE 30 oil, just like in the automotive world. If the seals are marginal in the chaincase, they will leak out the thinner oil.
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Your standard gear lube for your rear end in your car is a 90 weight oil...This is perfect for your chaincase...be sure to only fill it up to the bleed screw that is about 2-3 inches up from the bottom of the chaincase...dont overfill because it will go all over the place. Hope this helps.
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harleysportster
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BigJohn,
"Your standard gear lube for your rear end in your car is a 90 weight oil..."
That is what I said earlier. There have been people using 30 weight engine oil instead, figuring that the timing chain in a car engine is fine with that oil. You can buy chaincase oil now which is seems similiar to engine oil. The only thing is, if the bearing seals are weak, the thin oil will leak out .
"Your standard gear lube for your rear end in your car is a 90 weight oil..."
That is what I said earlier. There have been people using 30 weight engine oil instead, figuring that the timing chain in a car engine is fine with that oil. You can buy chaincase oil now which is seems similiar to engine oil. The only thing is, if the bearing seals are weak, the thin oil will leak out .
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grasscutter97
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Umm...maybe you could use real 'snowmobile chaincase oil'??? Almost any good sled shop will carry it. Yes, engine oil, gear oil will work. Kind of like the 'good ol' days...when you would just throw in some 10/30w oil in the gas and call it 2-stroke!! Technology is changing, just because deere called for gear oil in 1979, I can guarantee you I am going to upgrade to the appropriate product designed for todays sleds. Just my .02 cents.
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On today's sleds with new seals, gaskets & O-rings oils such as synthetics work the best. but in case (like Harley say's ) you have a bad seal, gasket or O-ring the thinner lubricants WILL leak out. (watch for a oil puddle under the chain case)
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The 80-90 gear lube is awful stiff in -20 deg temp so thinner is better, BUT???
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The 80-90 gear lube is awful stiff in -20 deg temp so thinner is better, BUT???
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storm_00
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thanx all for your imput ,I guess I will have to get some 90 wt but not that that maters at this point I cant get the damn thing started now ,I even went as far as pouring some fuel in the jugs she fired but wouldnt stay runnin think I have air leak in the line must have forgot to put a hose clamp on ,I did notice some oil an fuel mix commin out of my exhaust man I hope its not another needle an seat problem hey harley come on over I will cook up some vennission an have cold beer on ice if ya show up an help get this thing runnin ,how do they say it everything in its own time ,someone forgot to telll them that this old sled is past her prime but I know when I am done she will not do me wrong unlike the new sleds lol happy hollidaze yall
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80w-90 is not to thick. Remember all the power from your engine is going through that chain and 2 gears to drive the track. You need a high pressure oil, believe me that chain and gears gets hot, thin oil is not that good of an idea. In a car the timing chain is only driving the camshaft, not the rear wheels.
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I looked in my owners manual for JDX sleds, and it specifies 30 wt motor oil in the chaincase. I realize we are talking about a newer sled here, but I'm wondering if Deere changed their recomendation?
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When we raced Cross Country 75-79 we used a mixture of ATF & powdered graphite, & never broke or wore a chain, tightner, or gear on any of the deeres. Can't get much thinner than ATF???
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You can use anything that is oil period without killing your internals specialy when its not going to stay in there forever. Only thing is what Harley said about thinner stuff having a tendency to leakout. This is kinda funny its almost a debate over chaincase lube almost sounded like people got upset LOL.........For what its worth 2 years ago I had a 1994 arctic cat zr700 that busted the chain and put a hole in the case well I put a chain in it but still had a hole in the case so guess what I used.......nothing notta zero no oil at all and still put a few hundred miles on it before the sled got sold. Keep in mind Im not saying this was a good or right thing to do but the sled was hammered on by many previous owners and didnt cost me much I really only rode it when my wife rode the 580 so I didnt care. Just offering as an example of how that survived with no oil period so motor oil should not hurt anything.
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400brian
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Your old motorcycle drive chain didn't run in oil, and it survived.
The plastic tensioners probably benefit as much or more than the chain, from the oil bath.
I've never sweat this, oil of some kind is beter than none. Thinner viscosity will lube better in cold temps, if you can keep it in the chaincase.
The plastic tensioners probably benefit as much or more than the chain, from the oil bath.
I've never sweat this, oil of some kind is beter than none. Thinner viscosity will lube better in cold temps, if you can keep it in the chaincase.
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I switched to General Motors synthetic 90 weight gear lube about 4 years ago and it has performed flawlessly. I change it every other season and its been perfect. Just my 2 cents
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Guys,
A few years ago my 80 LF ran out of chain case lube, and it wasn't pretty. The chain stretched out and started skipping, and both the gears were ruined. It made it back home after I poured a quart of 10W30 into the case and tighted the roller back up.
I have no problem saying that most any automotive type oil is just fine, since the newer 'silent' chains are about the same thing as a car timing chain anyway. I run 10W30 in all my old sleds, but Amsoil (DamSoil?!) sythentic chain lube in all my SnoCross sleds, from my old 99 Cat to my 05 440 SnoPro.
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A few years ago my 80 LF ran out of chain case lube, and it wasn't pretty. The chain stretched out and started skipping, and both the gears were ruined. It made it back home after I poured a quart of 10W30 into the case and tighted the roller back up.
I have no problem saying that most any automotive type oil is just fine, since the newer 'silent' chains are about the same thing as a car timing chain anyway. I run 10W30 in all my old sleds, but Amsoil (DamSoil?!) sythentic chain lube in all my SnoCross sleds, from my old 99 Cat to my 05 440 SnoPro.
Later,
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