Hey everybody,
I'm getting ready to rebuild my Dator motor this summer and so far I have everything tracked down for the rebuild including all NOS pistons and gaskets which I'm super stoked about. However I still need to track down some needle bearings for the top end. Does anybody happen to know where you can get some? Either NOS or modern replacements are fine too.
Thanks guys,
Brian
Dator needle bearings
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Dator needle bearings
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Re: Dator needle bearings
Is a LF bearing the same as a Dator bearing? They're different part numbers but I don't know maybe they do work. Anyone know if they work?
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Re: Dator needle bearings
Dator bearings are 19mm & only used on the Dators.. You need 2 AM54125
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Re: Dator needle bearings
Yeah that's the same part number I came up with. I assumed that it wasn't the same as the LF since virtually nothing on that motor is used on anything else but the recoil pawls. So do you know of anywhere you can get them from? Does Jerome have any?ICCSF 108 wrote:Dator bearings are 19mm & only used on the Dators.. You need 2 AM54125
Kenny
Thanks,
Brian
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Re: Dator needle bearings
I came up empty, NO Dealers, & Jerome can't get them either.. You might try Wiseco as the repopped the last order of Pistons, I'll Ck tonight I might have there part number for there bearing??
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"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?
"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
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Re: Dator needle bearings
Oh that's too bad I thought for sure Jerome would have them. You're right though Wiseco might be a really good idea. Thanks for checking Kenny I really appreciate it.
Brian
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Re: Dator needle bearings
Thanks for the insights and if you do find a source please post.
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Re: Dator needle bearings
The bearings were not included with the pistons? Do you have the first or second generation pistons?
Re: Dator needle bearings
i would certainly mic them out and check out other deere roller bearings. I took a NOS cyclone engine apart at the same time I went thropugh the lower end of a 77 liquifire. The parts were the same as my 77 liqiufire engine even though the part numbers were differentfrom the parts books. One was a liquid and the other a fan...... I noticed this same scenario on my Ford Excursion vs. a superduty.... etc. It pays to dig deeper of rebuilding hard to find items.... Just my .02
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Current Sleds:
(1) 91, MX-X Skidoo Cross Crountry (I-500) Factory Race sled
(2)-76, 340 cyclones
(2)-77, Skidoo RV 340 FA, (1) Karpik race chassis
(1)-77, 340 liquifire
(1)-77, 340 Skidoo RV CROSS COUNTRY(S/N 0084, 1977 I-500, Stan Hayes-Bombardier Race sled(#65-#34)
(1)-80, 440 Liquifire
(2)-84, 440 Liquifire S/N 0329 and S/N 259
(1)-79, Skidoo 7500 CROSS COUNTRY, S/N 0010
(1)-78, Skidoo 6500 blizzard
(1) 91, MX-X Skidoo Cross Crountry (I-500) Factory Race sled
(2)-76, 340 cyclones
(2)-77, Skidoo RV 340 FA, (1) Karpik race chassis
(1)-77, 340 liquifire
(1)-77, 340 Skidoo RV CROSS COUNTRY(S/N 0084, 1977 I-500, Stan Hayes-Bombardier Race sled(#65-#34)
(1)-80, 440 Liquifire
(2)-84, 440 Liquifire S/N 0329 and S/N 259
(1)-79, Skidoo 7500 CROSS COUNTRY, S/N 0010
(1)-78, Skidoo 6500 blizzard
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Re: Dator needle bearings
They're the Up-Dator grooved pistons. They came with new wrist pins but no needle bearings.I500 wrote:The bearings were not included with the pistons? Do you have the first or second generation pistons?
72' 500 Restored
74' 295/S Unrestored
75' 340/S Rider
76' Liquidator Restored
77' Liquifire Rider
80' Spitfire Restored
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75' 340/S Rider
76' Liquidator Restored
77' Liquifire Rider
80' Spitfire Restored
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Re: Dator needle bearings
Yeah that doesn't surprise me too much that they are the same bearings on a Cyclone and Liquifire, but unfortunately I'm doubtful that any of the other ones work on a Dator. It's just such a unique motor. It doesn't hurt to measure though.AMG wrote:i would certainly mic them out and check out other deere roller bearings. I took a NOS cyclone engine apart at the same time I went thropugh the lower end of a 77 liquifire. The parts were the same as my 77 liqiufire engine even though the part numbers were differentfrom the parts books. One was a liquid and the other a fan...... I noticed this same scenario on my Ford Excursion vs. a superduty.... etc. It pays to dig deeper of rebuilding hard to find items.... Just my .02
James B
Duluth, MN
72' 500 Restored
74' 295/S Unrestored
75' 340/S Rider
76' Liquidator Restored
77' Liquifire Rider
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75' 340/S Rider
76' Liquidator Restored
77' Liquifire Rider
80' Spitfire Restored
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Re: Dator needle bearings
The Dator was the only Deere to use a 19mm pin, & other than that a Kawi
( KT150A-B ) 292 Single the only other engine to use a 19mm pin also I believe, UNLESS something of the today sleds use that size pin??
You might try Wiseco part number B1036 ( 19 X 24 X 24.8 ) IF it's still a good number or still in production.. That is the one shown for the 292 Kawi single Cyl.
The new Dator Wiseco Pistons use a bearing ( Un-Numbered ) that is
19 mm X ( about ) 23.114mm OD X 23.4188 mm Length. You MIGHT be able to purchase this from Wiseco??
Kenny
( KT150A-B ) 292 Single the only other engine to use a 19mm pin also I believe, UNLESS something of the today sleds use that size pin??
You might try Wiseco part number B1036 ( 19 X 24 X 24.8 ) IF it's still a good number or still in production.. That is the one shown for the 292 Kawi single Cyl.
The new Dator Wiseco Pistons use a bearing ( Un-Numbered ) that is
19 mm X ( about ) 23.114mm OD X 23.4188 mm Length. You MIGHT be able to purchase this from Wiseco??
Kenny
AKA: Kenny, Grumpy, Mr. Richard Head
"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?
"I Hunt For it, Purchase it, Haul it, Sometimes Repair it, Sometimes Break it, Then Fix it Again, Label it, Warehouse it, Talk About it, So NOW, HOW Can I Take Any Less $$ For It?"
"God I love the smell of KLOTZ in the morning, That smell, you know that Gasoline/Oil Smell, MAKES the whole place SMELL like.. LIKE VICTORY. You know someday the 2 strokers are gonna end..."
Do Anti-War Protesters have reunions? If so what do they TALK about?
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Re: Dator needle bearings
You're the man Kenny! B1036 is still in production! Thanks so much man for helping me out I really appreciate it!
Brian
Brian
72' 500 Restored
74' 295/S Unrestored
75' 340/S Rider
76' Liquidator Restored
77' Liquifire Rider
80' Spitfire Restored
74' 295/S Unrestored
75' 340/S Rider
76' Liquidator Restored
77' Liquifire Rider
80' Spitfire Restored