78 Liquifire rebuild!
Re: 78 Liquifire rebuild!
I would leave the heat exchanger as it is. My Ski Doo's have a finned exchanger like this and I have never had any problems with it. Unless you are going to ride in low snow conditions on dirt roads, everything will be just fine.
Dan
1981 Liquifire
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1984 Trailfire LX
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1981 Liquifire
1984 Sportfire
1984 Trailfire LX
1996 Yamaha V Max Mountain Max
2018 Ski Doo Summit Sport
2021 Ski Doo Grand Touring Sport
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Re: 78 Liquifire rebuild!
I took the exchanger fins down to about 1/8" and called it good.
Just have it sitting in the tunnel for the photo, but you get the idea.
I started out with a 40 grit flap wheel, but that was too slow, so I switched to a regular grinding wheel. I have been told the disc would clog, but I really had no problems. I went through 3 grinder discs on this job, and the finished off with a 120 flap disc and then an orbital sander.
Just have it sitting in the tunnel for the photo, but you get the idea.
I started out with a 40 grit flap wheel, but that was too slow, so I switched to a regular grinding wheel. I have been told the disc would clog, but I really had no problems. I went through 3 grinder discs on this job, and the finished off with a 120 flap disc and then an orbital sander.
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Re: 78 Liquifire rebuild!
We have a had a lot of family trauma as of late, but I did finally get the heat exchanger installed. I put new push washers on the carriage bolts to hold them in place, polished up the hose fittings, put a bit of sealant on the foam gaskets, and then added new washers and nuts.
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72 400 restored, Father bought new in '71
73 X8 restored
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Re: 78 Liquifire rebuild!
Been a while since I have updated here. Grandson and I have been hard at work on the '37 JD B project.
One thing that I haven't touched on, is my plan to partially re-clip the track. The Arctic Cat track has two type of clips installed, flat clips and guide clips. The guide flange is placed against the inner involute drive lug in every other track window.
Probably most if not all the guys running these tracks are running them "as is". As I am a glutton for punishment, I am not only modifying the skid to more closely match the window centerline, I plan to replace the cat guide clips with the Deere style. The reason for doing this is that the guides do not perfectly line up with the track lugs, and the steel guides wear into the plastic track drivers. The Cat guides run against the outside of the hyfax, while the Deere guides run against the inside. This gets the guide completely away from the drivers, as shown in the top photo.
I have never re-clipped a track before, but I have the Deere style clips on hand, and the crimping tool bought, so eventually I am going to try my hand at it.
One thing that I haven't touched on, is my plan to partially re-clip the track. The Arctic Cat track has two type of clips installed, flat clips and guide clips. The guide flange is placed against the inner involute drive lug in every other track window.
Probably most if not all the guys running these tracks are running them "as is". As I am a glutton for punishment, I am not only modifying the skid to more closely match the window centerline, I plan to replace the cat guide clips with the Deere style. The reason for doing this is that the guides do not perfectly line up with the track lugs, and the steel guides wear into the plastic track drivers. The Cat guides run against the outside of the hyfax, while the Deere guides run against the inside. This gets the guide completely away from the drivers, as shown in the top photo.
I have never re-clipped a track before, but I have the Deere style clips on hand, and the crimping tool bought, so eventually I am going to try my hand at it.
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Re: 78 Liquifire rebuild!
So this is the first track re-clipping I have ever done. It is the first track I have ever owned that has had clips, so this is all new.
I am cutting the clips with a 1/16" disc in the angle grinder. After cutting a few off, I kinda got the hang of it, and I got a lot faster at it.
I make a good pass with the wheel, cool the clip with water from an old Windex bottle, make another pass, cool it again, then look to see where you are. You are trying to avoid cutting into the rubber, and it is easy to do. On most of them, I at least leave a mark. I find it best to not try to cut them completely in half. Cut them thin, then tap a screw driver or small chisel along the groove to split the clip. If it doesn't split, cut a bit more. Once I spit the clip with the screw driver blade, I can pry each half off and pull it out with a pliers.
I have the guide clips off one side now, and I maybe spent an hour.
I am cutting the clips with a 1/16" disc in the angle grinder. After cutting a few off, I kinda got the hang of it, and I got a lot faster at it.
I make a good pass with the wheel, cool the clip with water from an old Windex bottle, make another pass, cool it again, then look to see where you are. You are trying to avoid cutting into the rubber, and it is easy to do. On most of them, I at least leave a mark. I find it best to not try to cut them completely in half. Cut them thin, then tap a screw driver or small chisel along the groove to split the clip. If it doesn't split, cut a bit more. Once I spit the clip with the screw driver blade, I can pry each half off and pull it out with a pliers.
I have the guide clips off one side now, and I maybe spent an hour.
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73 X8 restored
'74 340 green machine
'74 X8 9 time VC finisher
'78 Spitfire in progress
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'78 LF 440 future CC clone
'73 Skiroule RTX 440, 500 mi.
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Re: 78 Liquifire rebuild!
Re-cliping a track is not for the faint of heart. The clips on the one I did in the late 90s were so thin I was able to pry them off with a screwdriver very easily. At the time I swore I would never re-clip another track but since aftermarket tracks are no longer avaliable I may reconsider that thought when the time comes.
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Re: 78 Liquifire rebuild!
Ok, all of the guide clips are off, once I got the hang of it, it went fairly fast. These clips were not very worn, so cutting them off seemed to be the only option.
To the best of my knowledge, I am the only one who is deranged enough to re-clip the track to the Deere style. While everyone else just puts the rubber track in and runs it, I have narrowed my skid to match the window spacing of the Yokohama track, and am now looking forward to installing the clips Deere used in their place.
To the best of my knowledge, I am the only one who is deranged enough to re-clip the track to the Deere style. While everyone else just puts the rubber track in and runs it, I have narrowed my skid to match the window spacing of the Yokohama track, and am now looking forward to installing the clips Deere used in their place.
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73 X8 restored
'74 340 green machine
'74 X8 9 time VC finisher
'78 Spitfire in progress
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'78 LF 440 future CC clone
'73 Skiroule RTX 440, 500 mi.
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Re: 78 Liquifire rebuild!
So I started putting the clips on, as usual there is a learning curve. I have 4 on. I quickly identified a couple of issues. The clips kept jumping out of position in the crimping tool. I tried narrowing their spread a little with the hammer on the bench vise so they fit and feed into the tool better and that seems to help. The next thing is that the point in the forming die is cutting into the track. I am going to grind it down a bit and see if I can resolve that.
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'74 340 green machine
'74 X8 9 time VC finisher
'78 Spitfire in progress
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'78 LF 440 future CC clone
'73 Skiroule RTX 440, 500 mi.
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Re: 78 Liquifire rebuild!
The track is finished! After modifying the forming die in the tool ( I ground most of the point off ) and reducing the spread of the clips before installing them, it all went quite fast. One evenings work to finish up the track.
'09 Vintage Challenge Survivor, and I wasn't late for supper!
'10, '11, '12, '13,'14,'15,'16,'17, '18, 19, 20, 21, 22 Vintage Challenge Survivor !
72 400 restored, Father bought new in '71
73 X8 restored
'74 340 green machine
'74 X8 9 time VC finisher
'78 Spitfire in progress
2 '75 340S 1 running, one on deck
'78 LF 440 future CC clone
'73 Skiroule RTX 440, 500 mi.