Will 440/22a Jugs fit on the 400/22 crankcase???

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Will 440/22a Jugs fit on the 400/22 crankcase???

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By golly, in the DK catalog, it does mention that 440/21 std. pistons can be used on 400 as overbore.

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Will 440/22a Jugs fit on the 400/22 crankcase???

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I had my 440/22 cylinders bored out .010 over this year just to clean them up, Had them done by a local shop by me, that I have been going to for years. He charged $60 a cylinder,and did an excellent job at cross hatching the bore, and the pistons we ordered from Parts Unlimited were original Kiortz pistons and L-grooved rings,they were even still packed in the Kioritz boxes. Even had the heads shaved .010 to clean them up at $70 for the pair. I think Parts Unlimited might have even had standard pistons just to give you a head up.
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Will 440/22a Jugs fit on the 400/22 crankcase???

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400brian wrote: By golly, in the DK catalog, it does mention that 440/21 std. pistons can be used on 400 as overbore.
Hey!... thats what i was thinking!..... so, it is true then...... you CAN bore a 400 jug to 440 specs!.... I would not have though that JD would have made up the extra tooling and all it would take to produce a different jug when they could use the same on several of there models.... and just bore them as needed... I however did find a set of the 440/22a jug and heads on ebay... but decided to let them go.... I will just bore mine over and call it good....100% fresh cylinders.... all true and no problems.... as with buying someones elses jugs.... you just dont know till you have them in your hand!....(hum,... jugs in my hand...) :lol: I can get those LLP pistons in a .040 over on ebay.... they seem to always be a set on there.... around $40 is all they go for... for a pair!

Thanks for the info guys!
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Will 440/22a Jugs fit on the 400/22 crankcase???

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Kelly,
Before assuming you could bore a 400 to a 440, you should contact Bob at Image or Central Snowmobile. They both have bored/sleeved the kioritz jugs and would know.
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Will 440/22a Jugs fit on the 400/22 crankcase???

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That is the voice of reason. Good advice.

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Will 440/22a Jugs fit on the 400/22 crankcase???

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Kelly something to try if you can get ahold of someone at DKTrader on ebay they may still have some nos jugs. I bought a pair of them for less than it would cost to have 1 cylinder bored. This of course was when they were still selling the deere stuff on ebay. I think Rainville and maybe some others may have a way to call them or know who to talk to.
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Will 440/22a Jugs fit on the 400/22 crankcase???

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Great!... i will give that a shot then!....keeping my fingers crossed for something that cheap!...lol .... its only $45 to have a jug bored here.... so that would be nice!
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Kelly heres a link to a pair of nos cylinders listed on ebay by 1 of our sponsors.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/John-Deere-...tem110239732624
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Will 440/22a Jugs fit on the 400/22 crankcase???

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ooopppps.... :angry:
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HEY KELLY>>>>

Greg relisted a set of jugs with your name on them.

The carb you sent looks real good. Thank you.
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Ooh so you got them hih Todd. I was gonna buy them myself but Im buying a quad for my middle daughter so cash is tight. I do still have 1 set from when dk was blowing them out.
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No Andy, it was not me.

I also have a set of DK one's left.
They were a steal at $24.
But even at $90 that is a very good price.
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